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robby
United Kingdom
13 Posts |
 Posted - 26 May 2014 : 09:44:43
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| 18ft norman cruiser all windows leak especiall side ones how to I make them watertight. advice please |
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kev13
United Kingdom
114 Posts |
Posted - 26 May 2014 : 10:04:15
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If you find out please let me know. I have had all mine out on n23 chrisdanra reassembled with new angled brackets, new flock slider in the channels, and reseated them in non setting compound that is used in caravan windows. Still got a leak on one front window outside bottom corner and both side windows at very back bottom corner.
Don't know what to do next
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robby
United Kingdom
13 Posts |
Posted - 26 May 2014 : 10:12:11
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thanks for reply kev I am sure they can be fixed but like you I am loathe to start it if I cant make them tight . I live in Southampton does anyone know of a man or small company that guarantees to fix them without paying the earth .will let you know how I get on. |
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consumedbynature
United Kingdom
108 Posts |
Posted - 29 May 2014 : 12:09:43
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I've owned four boats in total. All have had leaking windows. With the first three I used Sikaflex and sorted the problem. With my current boat I decided to let a professional take the windows out and reseal them. Six months later they were leaking again. I've just Sikaflexed them and they're watertight. I use frogtape and a beading tool for a smart finish. Don't use any other kind of masking tape, they're all pants. Sikaflex is messy to work with but baby wipes (£1 Lidl) seem to clean it off. Wear clothes you don't mind trashing if you use it.
There is footage of Sikaflex on another project on my boat if you want to have a look. Just type in "busy with fizzy" on YouTube.
I've heard Bytul tape is effective but haven't any experience of it.
How this helps
regards
Billy
Shetland Black Prince -Fizzy - Worcestershire Avon
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robby
United Kingdom
13 Posts |
Posted - 29 May 2014 : 15:44:46
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| thanks for reply billy someone else mentioned it do u have any pictures of where you put it on your windows not sure what are original seals and what is mastic ! |
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Deano
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 May 2014 : 18:33:31
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Sikaflex is a range of products, not a single product. Be careful what you use on what. 291 is what is usually sold in chandleries.
It is generally used as an adhesive, which it is very good at.
A better solution for sealing windows is Abormast BR. It is a liquid butyl sealant. It gets in all the gaps and seals. It does not set hard so remains flexible and is able to absorb the flexing of the boat. Failing that a butyl based tape can be used to great effect between the frames and the GRP of the hull. Search for 'caravan sealing tape' on ebay.
Trying to seal the edges is rarely a good solution.... take them out, clean up the edges and reseal them back to the hull.
Dean - Boating on the Great Ouse.
Freeman 32 "Liberty"
See the photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/54758027@N00/ |
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robby
United Kingdom
13 Posts |
Posted - 30 May 2014 : 08:49:01
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thanks deano I am gradually getting a picture in my head to solving my problem but it is still a bit hazy!! |
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kev13
United Kingdom
114 Posts |
Posted - 30 May 2014 : 16:32:40
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Done all that with new brackets at the joints as each one was taken apart and powder coated in grey. I also tinted the glass with film as reassembled. Just wish they wouldn't leak.
Going to try and cover with plastic taped to the body work so frame and glass is covered and hit the boat with water from a hose to see if it is getting in somewhere else but running out at the joint between fibreglass and window frame! |
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robby
United Kingdom
13 Posts |
Posted - 30 May 2014 : 17:35:47
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allo kev 13 the deeper I get into this window thing the more I hear problems other have or are having the less confident I am about solving it but there is always a way . I used to be a service engineer on steam turbines and one day on QE2 the boiler feed pump blew its turbine cover gasket and we seal welded it round joint face and machined it off when in for dry docking , motto of this there is always a way but cant weld fibre glass !! but any way thanks for reply will let you all know how I get on. |
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robby
United Kingdom
13 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2014 : 21:56:31
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Originally posted by kev13
If you find out please let me know. I have had all mine out on n23 chrisdanra reassembled with new angled brackets, new flock slider in the channels, and reseated them in non setting compound that is used in caravan windows. Still got a leak on one front window outside bottom corner and both side windows at very back bottom corner.
Don't know what to do next
Good luck
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robby
United Kingdom
13 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2014 : 22:03:42
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| allo kev sent my windows to kellett eng leeds also known as kellett windows seem pretty professional will let you know what sort of job they do. ian |
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kev13
United Kingdom
114 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2014 : 22:40:50
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Hi robby
What are you having done to them. did you take them out of the boat?
Kevin |
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robby
United Kingdom
13 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2014 : 09:16:16
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hi kev I took both side windows out complete and sent them to leeds my frames are in good condition having been anodised etch primed and painted at british aerostructures done during tea and lunch breaks obviously!  . they are going to replac all seals glass is ok and fit a seal to go between frame and boat . will take a lot of cleaning due to growth in channels . will let you know how good they are when I get them back. will be lovely if no leaks it puts us off doing work when we have to have drip trays everywhere.IAN |
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df
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Jun 2014 : 18:41:16
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I found the 18's and 20's need an extra strip at the bottom inside the sliding windows as they overflow the inside of the frame before the drains work properly as the cabin sides are quite sloped, also when putting flocked rubber in the sliders cut holes in it where the drain holes are and glue to stop them going out of line or the drains will never work at all.
I used a thin strip of acrylic glued along the bottom on my 18.5 and it worked well.
NBAS--The communal colostomy bag of the boating community.
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Wayfoot
United Kingdom
109 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2014 : 12:32:39
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I agree with DF.
I fitted a thin adhesive backed rubber strip between the internal trim and the frame. Then screwed the trim back on. I have been bone dry ever since.
Again, don't forget to make sure the external window frame drain slots are clear for the water to run away. |
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kev13
United Kingdom
114 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2014 : 19:45:38
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Df wayfoot do you have any pics?
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