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DanEarl
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 18 Apr 2012 : 20:28:17
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Hello All,
I am not sure if anyone has seen this website but having just purchased a Norman 22 myself I have found this very interesting and helpful ;
http://www.freewebs.com/norman22boatrestoration/
I would be willing to do the same sort of thing with my Norman 22 restoration, would anyone be interested if I started a topic on this forum with photos and information when I get home and started on it ? My start date will be 2nd May.
Regards,
Dan.
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Sonny
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Apr 2012 : 22:35:50
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Go for it Dan, always love a good story and if its got a Norman in it all the better!
Seriously if you have any good ideas then it would be a shame not to share them as we all need insperation sometimes.
I have just done a restoration on a 22/23 nd I wish I had took more photos but just kept forgetting the camera.
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cliveshep
Thailand
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Posted - 19 Apr 2012 : 06:27:41
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It looks very nice and if it was in a house or maybe a mobile home it would be great but without raining on anyone's parade can I say that a boat is a harsh environment.
The materials used are not really suitable for boats - meaning off-the-shelf kitchen units look wonderful but if the boat picks up an unfortunate amount of bilge water over winter the melamine finished mdf and chipboard units will simply swell and be destroyed.
Damp will also affect the t & g cladding to a lesser extent as softwoods soak up moisture in the air so need to be treated on the back before fitting.
This is why those pretty but cheaper finishes do not last - there are thousands of original Freeman boats out there - very few restored, whereas most Dawncraft and a high proportion of Norman's of the same era are in or have had restoration work carried out. Before you use it - ask yourself - will this last 40 years? Or will one water ingress destroy the lot?
Your labour may be un-costed in any restoration project but it has a value, why waste it using poor or unsuitable materials.
I've been building and re-building boats for 45 years now - I have learnt which is the "sharp end" !!!
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DanEarl
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Apr 2012 : 06:46:24
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Thank you very much for your advice, I had the same feeling about the t&g so think I will go for solid wood or marine ply - what would you suggest ? Thanks, Dan.
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cliveshep
Thailand
1324 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2012 : 20:05:14
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Hardwoods yes, and either marine plywood if you've won the lottery or a hardwood exterior plywood glued to BS1088 This is the same as Thames Marine Ply was glued to but the veneers are not so good. However there are some nice exterior hardwood plywoods coming in from China, Travis Perkins for example are stocking them and they varnish up rather nicely.
However, you might need to select in the yard as some sheets have a lighter veneer one side so do ask to select from the stack.
Be careful in cutting too - they have lighter internal cores so cut with a craft knife first though through the veneer before sawing and plane back, and you can then edge panels with hardwood or veneer.
Be careful with selection of hardwoods, Meranti looks good at first, but it will go grey in sunlight, so unless it is hidden don't go for that one. Sapele is the hardwood of choice for most so-called "mahogany" finishes and the Chinese plywood will most usually have a nice red veneer that matches well to it. Mahogany of course, meaning Sapele or Utile these days, is the traditional timber for boat fit outs, although I have also fitted out in Teak and white oak. Some exterior plywoods have a pale hardwood veneer - you can stain those slightly to match oak trim.
In all cases use either a 2-pack glue like Aerolite, a waterproof casein powder resin glue like Ultramite, or some of the new breed of moisture cured polyurethane glues. Don't use pva glues which are unsuitable in moist conditions. That includes Evostik waterproof glue!
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DanEarl
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Apr 2012 : 18:19:54
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Again, Thank you very much for your help and information, I have a feeling I will be learning alot from your 45 years of building and re-building boats.
Regards,
Dan.
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adi-n-chez
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Apr 2012 : 22:09:35
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quote:
Originally posted by DanEarl
Again, Thank you very much for your help and information, I have a feeling I will be learning alot from your 45 years of building and re-building boats.
Regards,
Dan.
New To Normans But In Love Already !
Clive is actually a Google Boat Autobot , he replies with an answer to most questions on restoration. He does tend to go offline occasionally - Probably due to upgrades required due to aging hardware!.
Cheers Clive
Adi
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cliveshep
Thailand
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Posted - 21 Apr 2012 : 22:27:29
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I go off-line when I'm off UK soil Adi. My wife is in Thailand so toddle off for conjugals mate! I'll be around now until back end of June I think.
And that's google das boot mein herr!
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carpetbloke
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Apr 2012 : 18:34:03
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| Didn`t realise that Clive. Same here but my wife`s been here over 16 years. |
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cliveshep
Thailand
1324 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2012 : 23:23:39
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Mine was at UNI in Rangsit, now finished so next step is getting a visa sorted out and go get her.
Can't wait!
Visa application goes in next weekend!
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carpetbloke
United Kingdom
194 Posts |
Posted - 23 Apr 2012 : 06:48:00
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Best of luck with that.
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DanEarl
United Kingdom
71 Posts |
Posted - 23 Apr 2012 : 20:59:06
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Well, just ordered all the deck fittings tonight, all are marine grade stainless steel (Hand-rails, cleats, fairleads, Double Cross Bollard, Spotlight, Nav Lights) and International antifouling, primer, undercoat and top coat.
Getting excited now, hopefully I will get home on the 1st of May and HOPEFULLY some nice weather to enjoy the start of the restoration !
Regards,
Dan.
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kev13
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Apr 2012 : 22:50:11
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Hi Dan
Where did you get the airleads from, mine seem to be an odd size on a 23 that fit into a moulding on the front deck?
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DanEarl
United Kingdom
71 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2012 : 12:29:59
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Hi Kevin,
I asked my wife to check and she said that there is no moulding for fairleads on my Norman 22, I am just hopeing she is correct 
All my fittings were purchased from this link ;
http://www.ridethewaves.co.uk/c-5-chandlery-above-deck.aspx
They are alot cheaper than most 'well known' chandlers so I hope the quality is as good as the price ! I will keep you all informed when I recieve them and report back.
Regards,
Dan.
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KEV UP NORTH
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Apr 2012 : 21:43:39
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Dan,
That website you mention is superb! The guy has obviously put a
lot of effort in to bring it back from a ruin. Top marks to him.
OK, he may not have used the "best" materials etc but has still done
a nice job. I've seen a lot worse.
Still around in 40 years, I hope so!
Kev
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DanEarl
United Kingdom
71 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2012 : 21:52:11
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Hi Kev,
Yes, he did a wonderful job and that is what has given me the inspiration to 'have-a-go'. I sent him an email last week with quite a few questions and asked for advice, but had no reply as of yet, although the website hasn't been updated for a while maybe he has changed his email address ....
If like you say you know him, could you possibly ask him to see if he has changed his email address please ?
Kind Regards,
Dan.
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NORMAN 22 BOAT RESTORATION WEBSITE
