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Telecaster

United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 May 2011 :  19:56:56  Show Profile Send Telecaster a Private Message  Reply with Quote
one for the engine experts hehe,probs summit simple but its got me baffled

disconnected the remote shift cable
put in reverse manually pulled the manual start and the prop turned
put in forward manually pulled the manual start and the prop turned

started the engine
put in reverse manually prop turned slowly but increase in throttle didnt make any diffo to the prop speed
put in forward manually prop turned slowly but increase in throttle didnt make any diffo to the prop speed
reconnected remote shift cable
selected gear but no throttle response to the prop
what is going on

cheers

Nick

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First stages complete,gone for a benchseat
just needs varnish,vynil cushions accses panels and a new teak board floor

Edited by - Telecaster on 22 May 2011 19:57:59

Deano

United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 May 2011 :  20:09:26  Show Profile  Visit Deano's Homepage Send Deano a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Rubber bush in prop boss is knackered.

Your prop is in three parts, the outer part with the blades on, the inner splined part that connects to the lower gearbox and a lump of rubber holding the two parts together.

The rubber part has let go. it's OK when the prop is turning slowly, but slips when under load.

I bet if you put it in gear when not running and try to turn the prop by hand you can, and you shouldn't be able to!!!

Dean - Boating on the Great Ouse.
Freeman 30 "Silver Gem"
See the photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/54758027@N00/
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Telecaster

United Kingdom
68 Posts

Posted - 22 May 2011 :  20:13:21  Show Profile Send Telecaster a Private Message  Reply with Quote
aha

when i raised the engine out of the water/tilted it
the prop spun round of its own accord ,i thought at the time Iv never seen it do that before

I think you could have cracked it

cheers mate

Nick



back to the bare shell





First stages complete,gone for a benchseat
just needs varnish,vynil cushions accses panels and a new teak board floor

Edited by - Telecaster on 22 May 2011 20:14:15
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Telecaster

United Kingdom
68 Posts

Posted - 22 May 2011 :  21:10:35  Show Profile Send Telecaster a Private Message  Reply with Quote
deano

Iv ha a look at an exploded view of the prop setup
but i cant find any rubber bushes

any chance you could be a little more specific mate so i know what to ask for parts wise


cheers


nick

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Deano

United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 May 2011 :  22:57:58  Show Profile  Visit Deano's Homepage Send Deano a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I don't believe the rubber bush is a separate part that is user serviceable. I think you need a whole new prop to replace it, or the services of an expert.
http://www.castlemarine.co.uk/propelle.htm
http://www.steeldevelopments.co.uk/Steel_Developments_Propellers.html- Just examples, not a recommendation.

As a bodge, you may get away with driving some self tapping screws through the boss of the prop, but only if the bush has 'let go' of the prop and not the spline part.

Dean - Boating on the Great Ouse.
Freeman 30 "Silver Gem"
See the photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/54758027@N00/

Edited by - Deano on 22 May 2011 23:16:50
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carpetbloke

United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 May 2011 :  06:42:07  Show Profile Send carpetbloke a Private Message  Reply with Quote
These are the sort of thing you`re looking at http://www.steeldevelopments.co.uk/Rebush_service_for_propellers.html.
I would think you could get one as a Honda part if it`s the original prop.
If the cost is too excessive then a new prop would be in order.
I carry 3 in total, 2 Honda and a Solas 4 blade.
I personally don`t mind which one`s on as long as it`s no trolley damage.
There is one on e-bay from the U.S.FOR ABOUT £60 INCLUDING P+P.
Then theres these http://steeldevelopments.net/erol.html.
I think I got my 4 blade prop from these.
Paul.
P.S. At least it looks like its not the gearbox but I still think you could have an underlying issue that`s causing your problems, ref your previous posts.
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carpetbloke

United Kingdom
194 Posts

Posted - 23 May 2011 :  06:54:57  Show Profile Send carpetbloke a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Just found this comment The "slide-in" nature of the Flo-Torq II Hub assembly allows customers to easily and quickly replace damaged hubs themselves.
Probably slide in with a 14lb tool.

Edited by - carpetbloke on 23 May 2011 06:58:31
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Telecaster

United Kingdom
68 Posts

Posted - 04 Jun 2011 :  13:01:35  Show Profile Send Telecaster a Private Message  Reply with Quote
After all the messing about took the engine off had a look

broken shear pin

tpical ,so simple ,least it wasnt an expensive fix

cheers for everyones input

Nick

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carpetbloke

United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Jun 2011 :  14:30:34  Show Profile Send carpetbloke a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In the newer models you have a rubber bush inside.
Yours is obviously different as it`s got a shear pin instead.
The rubber bush idea is a different method of protectng the rather more expensive gearbox.
Nice to see it`s a cheap fix, eventually you`ll break everything then get to be a dab hand at fixing it all.
My last weeks trip from the Ashby onto Birmingham, then Wolverhampton and back to the Ashby via Fradley cost me 2 props. Maybe carrying 3 isn`t so daft after all and believe me I don`t change them till I have to.
Paul.
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Ricky

100 Posts

Posted - 04 Jun 2011 :  15:48:21  Show Profile Send Ricky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Glad it was simple and as suspected. Note to yourself: Always carry a spare or 3 shear pins and split pins and the tools to change it with! Touch wood Ive only done mine once...while halfway down the swanny... but it does now get inspected pre-season and greased up etc.

You can even, (tho not recommended but it will get you home)- use any bit o metal that fits, a marine mechanic told me hes seen all sorts used as shear pins, bits of drill bits, sawn down screwdrivers, old bolts etc!! Tho I just carry the spares, cheap as chips on ebay!!

Thankfully its one of the easier repairs to do, but a common one!

Cheers Rick
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