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df
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 08 Mar 2018 : 01:41:22
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I thought there was a thread about this when it first came up but I'm beggered if I can find it, may have been just though email.
Last year a man from the MAIB contacted Trevor for some norman info who then passed it on to a few of us to look at, I ended up communicating with him and giving him what little info I could.
It regards use at sea and lack of transom board on the outboard well and the loss of 3 lives, the full report is now out and can be found at www.leomagill.co.uk/maib_report.pdf
It's worth a read if you plan to take your norman out to sea at all.
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trevork
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Posted - 08 Mar 2018 : 07:23:07
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| Never was a thread Dave, it was all email between me, thee and Ian. I have found the original email from MAIB though. all around 7/9/17. |
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cliveshep
Thailand
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Posted - 09 Mar 2018 : 06:33:01
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Absolutely agree and the motor well board should be firmly fixed. Sadly even without the motor well board this 18.5 should easily have been safe IF the crew were keeping their eyes open all around, they could have motored clear with their 30hp quite easily and when clear have turned to present their bow to the wash.
The best way is to bolt an unequal channel all round the forward face of the well moulding, unequal so c/sunk machine screws and nuts can be used. Then a ply panel can simply be dropped down into the channel and locked down to prevent it rising.
People don't realise how a slow boat can get pooped and sunk by following waves pouring over the transom and into the boat, but also need to understand the safe way to bring an outboard boat off the plane even in calm waters.
The sudden drop off the plane allows the bow wave you were previously riding in front of to materialise from astern and try and poop you so when coming off the plane a blip on the throttle will push the boat forward allowing the wave to subside.
Normans with power, like 65hp upwards on a 20, are bloody good boats at sea in dirty weather but care is needed. They can be brilliant with trim tabs and a nice 1600cc crossflow coupled to an Enfield - I used mine as a ferry boat Langstone to Bembridge for years in all weathers, some very scary indeed when the helmmsman's seat had to be folded out of the way. Crashing over waves, power up head seas, throttle off, slide down the other side, power up the next one and so on. We operated all of the Eastern Solent/Channel from the Nab back to Southsea like a bus service often being the only idiots out there!
My parents lived on the Island and I lived on the mainland and the little deep vee 20 inboard/outdrive was fast and sea capable where I would not have used the Ocean 30 because it did not respond so instantaneously to power on/off. Plus it was semi displacement and rolled! People don't understand that the double tides there with wind of any strength over tide can produce extremely confused seas with no rhythm to wave patterns, and being relatively shallow the waves were steep and the fetch could be from across the channel if the winds were easterly. Not so violent if from the SW. I've had better seas down near Portland race than the eastern Solent when the tides meet in a storm.
Finally living the dream!
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mike
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Mar 2018 : 15:03:33
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I know it's a bit late, but it is important and as Spring aproaches and peoples thoughts turn to boats and things nautical.
Somebody much wiser than me once said :-
"Its not the boats but the people in them"
It matters not wether it's £50 of e.bay or £million from a fancy yacht broker, if you do not know how to prepare and operate it, it can and probably will at some point end in tragedy.
Over the years there have been several questions from people asking "I have a norman can it go to sea?"
The answer is yes, no, possibly. There is a world of difference between Poole Harbour on a still July day, and going from Wick to Orkney in January. Just because a boat was sold as suitable for coastal use when new, dose not mean it still is 40 years later.
I know most of the people reading this already know the above but if anybody new is thinking of venturing out this season, go on a course, get the RNLI to check your boat and make sure its safety kit is up to date.
RIP to the guys who drowned and everybody have a safe season.
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jud
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Mar 2018 : 12:20:58
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I agree, but just keep checking that nut on the helm |
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df
United Kingdom
5994 Posts |
Posted - 29 Mar 2018 : 12:55:18
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I am the nut on the helm! 
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jud
United Kingdom
113 Posts |
Posted - 29 Mar 2018 : 21:46:48
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I rest my case your honour. |
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consumedbynature
United Kingdom
108 Posts |
Posted - 02 Apr 2018 : 01:08:42
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This is a very sad tale and I think the key thing here is not the limitations of the Norman but the lack of preparation and knowledge.
I have recently put a video on my youtube channel outlining the preparation I carried out before taking my 23ft Shetland Black prince to sea after spending 5 years on the inland waterways. I am by no means an expert or saying what I did was right or wrong but the video may assist anyone on here who is thinking of doing the same.
If you'd like to check out the video search for "Busy with Fizzy episode 35" on YouTube
I'd welcome constructive comment's or suggestions.
Regards
Billy
Shetland Black Prince -Fizzy - Worcestershire Avon
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Normans at sea - a warning.
