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manxmike
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 03 Dec 2017 : 15:30:12
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I have recently acquired a Norman 27 in a rather sad condition, the hull and upperworks are fine but the interior is in desperate need of total replacement.
I have made a start by emptying all the various nooks and crannies of the cr*p left there by, I think, two previous owners. Next I stripped out the compresed cardboard attic style flooring that had been laid on top of the original ply floor. Sadly the original floor was rotten before the new floor was laid so you can imagine the mess. Under the floor was two inches of dirty stagnant water.
As far as I can tell nothing had been done to the boat for at least 18 months. The previous owner had intended to refit but never got around to it, he had stripped out the sink/hob unit and the water heater.
I found the gas locker vented into the bilge, the wiring was a mixture of bell wire, speaker wire and mains wire. The battery isolator switch was not connected. The saloon seating was constructed of two old kitchen units on their side nailed in place.
Living in the Isle of Man means that I can't pop down to the boat every weekend, travel to the UK to work on the boat will be in fortnightly segments, but that's OK
I have been a canal user for about 40 years now, recently owning a 43 foot steel narrow boat. Since my grandkids will be using the boat I need to ensure that everything is done correctly - no more bodge jobs on this boat.
If anyone has any tips, tricks and hints or photos/plans of internal layouts I would love to see them. I'll keep the forum posted with updates on the rebuild. |
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tigtog
United Kingdom
421 Posts |
Posted - 03 Dec 2017 : 17:45:30
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good luck
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philihun
United Kingdom
283 Posts |
Posted - 03 Dec 2017 : 19:35:42
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Cant get any internal shots until next weekend of my 27 so hang on. Mine wanted tidying and nothing major but the mixed crap wiring must have been a factory fit as mine was the same. I'll explain with the photos things i did that worked and some that didn't.
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manxmike
United Kingdom
9 Posts |
Posted - 14 Dec 2017 : 08:06:11
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| Great philihun, I'm looking forward to see what you have done. |
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philihun
United Kingdom
283 Posts |
Posted - 14 Dec 2017 : 19:48:03
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https://imghttps://imgur.com/7qvf32E
Trying to get a set of 5 photos, failing miserably at the mo. Meanwhile buy your own foam and covers and make your own seating beds etc, save about £800. In the back i have a fold up / down klik klak sofa bed. £80 ish on e bay. The original were 2 singles but with the sink and the plumbing now not feasable. I turned the back doors from inward to outward facing to give more room in the back to widen the bed with an infill cushion to 4 ft wide. Water heater was £90 on ebay,far better than the Rinnai i dumped. Carpets were floatex and a mistake for what i paid. Just buy cheap off cuts and change every season imho. Spent £40 trying to reseal the Houdini hatch to still get a wet bed. £5 later id cobbled a 5 mm plastic cover to place over the top of the existing one.
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philihun
United Kingdom
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philihun
United Kingdom
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philihun
United Kingdom
283 Posts |
Posted - 14 Dec 2017 : 20:06:24
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https:https://imgur.com/WWRV5u4
Ps if i knew what i am trying to do i would be a Papparazzi not a retired iron fighter.
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philihun
United Kingdom
283 Posts |
Posted - 14 Dec 2017 : 20:59:13
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Apart from propex marine heating, do not mention the word marine when buying something for your boat. Mention caravan, private jet or supercar to save 30% or more. All the old hand's on here will be nodding their head's.
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philihun
United Kingdom
283 Posts |
Posted - 14 Dec 2017 : 21:24:13
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Sorry forgot you are an old hand yourself. Norman 27 v viking 26 centre cockpit. Normans are thicker, you dont need to be a gymnast to get aboard a Norman. What use is a shower. you are never more than 2 day's away from a sanitary station, have a budgie bath and save water.You can access the outboard from inside a Norman. Only upside for the viking is more headroom to the forward v berth and you would miss me if you had one lol.
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trevork
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Posted - 15 Dec 2017 : 15:59:34
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| Grand work you have done there Phil. Do really like seeing all these pictures.Keep them coming folk! |
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manxmike
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Dec 2017 : 16:03:15
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Phil, great work, looks like you have done a smashing job there. Just a couple of questions - where is your fuel tank? At the moment mine seems to be a plastic container on the roof with a long fuel pipe!
Do you have actual dimensions of the interior, or even a scale plan? Living on the Isle of Man it's impossible to just pop down to the boat so advance planning would be something to do on the dark and short days! |
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manxmike
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Dec 2017 : 16:16:03
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My wife has just put her foot down with a firm hand, the boat WILL have both a shower and a toilet, even more need for advance planning to decide if both go in the fore cabin or I try and fit the shower into the stern cabin leaving the loo at the front.
Ooh, decisions decisions  |
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df
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Dec 2017 : 17:20:23
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Loo and shower can be the same cubicle, that's how my old norman 25 was and it worked well.
Assuming portapotti is the way you are going rip the floor out of the bottom of the bog cubicle and glass in so it's water tight, fit a flaot switch and bilge pump and make a grate to sit in the old floor position, the 25 had a double door for the bog so we tailored a shower curtain so it would keep water in with the doors open to give a bit more elbow room.
It wasn't a spacious shower but it worked well, I had a morco instantaneous gas heater (d61e I think) doing the hot bits, given the headroom available it's easier to have a sit down shower using the bog as a seat but rinse yer bum of soap before sitting back down or you end up in the cabin very quickly 
NBAS--The communal colostomy bag of the boating community.
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stratford4528
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Dec 2017 : 17:31:33
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| What I did with my 32 was to fit the shower tray in the centre right down on the keel and put a hinge lid over it that you walk on. then jabsco toilet went one side and the hand basin the other with folding doors which made it a complete room to use the shower or the toilet. Fitting the shower tray like that gave maximum headroom. Under the hand basin I fitted a 95 litre calorifier and the pumps for the shower tray and water to the taps. |
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philihun
United Kingdom
283 Posts |
Posted - 19 Dec 2017 : 17:33:20
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Hi, few replies for you. If you look at the pic of the rear bed you get at the back outboard in the middle ,fuel tanks 2x honda 13 ltr under the dehumidifier and to the right as you look is the engine battery charged from the outboard. In the rear under the carpet was a shower basin complete with a plug and drain. the curtain rail was fixed to the roof in an l shape config. Not much headroom and even less water pressure. My wife demanded a shower, then demanded i bin it. Going to the boat tomorrow take a few more pics.Can't really help with dims and scale etc, but someone on this site will point you in the right direction.
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Norman 27 Centre Cockpit rebuild
