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Canveysteve
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 16 Aug 2016 : 19:09:43
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What would be a good cheap reliable outbord
For canvey island to norflok brords and pottering about ? |
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df
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Aug 2016 : 21:11:10
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Originally posted by Canveysteve
For canvey island to norflok brords and pottering about ?
Are you planning on using the boat for sea then? It's not the best hull shape for it to say the least.
For norfolk broads I would go for at least 15hp 4 stroke as there's some pretty strong tides to contend with.
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Canveysteve
United Kingdom
41 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2016 : 21:59:58
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| Not the best i know but is what i have ! Thames i may have on chelmer river as local ish |
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IanM
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Aug 2016 : 23:11:11
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Originally posted by Canveysteve
What would be a good cheap reliable outbord
"Cheap" and "outboard" are not happy bedfellows.
Mind you "cheap" and "boating" are not exactly bosom buddies either.
Go for a Honda 4 stroke. They keep their value but make sure you bolt and lock it to the transom, because they keep their value to thieving gits too.... |
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df
United Kingdom
5994 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2016 : 08:11:49
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Anywhere near lower thames you need a decent amount of power and good reliability, when things go wrong you will deeply regret a 'cheap' outboard, you would need a vhf radio and licence too as VTS like to know where you are.
On chelmer I would guess you would want to venture out onto blackwater too, definately vhf territory in case of problems.
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Canveysteve
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Aug 2016 : 13:31:27
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| Yes vhf ect still get the boat is a wakering boat yard atm |
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mike
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Aug 2016 : 15:41:30
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Been reading this with interest, please take note of several points.
If you are going inboard then really you have to go outdrive, the hull is not designed for shaft drive and the modifications would have to be so massive that it would be cheaper to buy a new boat. Norman used outdrives for a reason.
If you do decide to go shaft drive and put the shaft through the bottom of the transom, then you will have to hang the rudder futher out so don't underestimate the stresses involved.
You are talking about taking the boat into the Thames Estuary and around to the Broads, big tides and potentialy big seas lots of strain on the boat, your insurance company will almost certainly want a survey, and even if the mods are done to a high standard most surveyors are likly to say no if only to cover themselves.
Finaly the boat really should have a back up engine should the main fail, and you need to have the relevant skills (Yacthmaster- Coatal Skipper minimum)
I am not saying don't do it but you will probably need to engage a marine architect/designed/surveyor at this stage, so that you can prove to yourself, the insurance company and a future buyer-if you ever want to sell that all the work was done to the correct standard and unfortunatly that requires the dreaded paperwork.
Sorry to be so down on you project, and I really do hope it all gets sorted out, and you end up with the boat of your dreams but don't forget that whatever you do to it it will still only be a £4/5000 boat.
Good Luck and whatever route you go keep us up to date
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Canveysteve
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Aug 2016 : 14:02:30
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Chears mike , i have the skills to do the glasswork ect
Any idea of the water level with a stern drive ?? |
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philihun
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Aug 2016 : 18:25:22
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My 27 has a Honda 15 outboard which has proved adequate for the tidal Ouze and Trent. I carry 45 litres of petrol which on a normal trip wil get me about 120 miles range and a bit in reserve, mostly canal and non tidal. Use your Laptop or smart phone and Google petrol station locations and it will give you every Garage near any waterway on an up to date map. Then plan your moorings etc around this info. Don't rely on a Nicholson Guide unless you want 10 Albanians to jet wash your boat while you ask how long the garage has been shut..Petrol is not as cheap as Derv and is not as available but it is Gettable and the outboard option is cost effective.
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cliveshep
Thailand
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Posted - 19 Aug 2016 : 01:18:48
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Originally posted by Canveysteve
Chears mike , i have the skills to do the glasswork ect
Any idea of the water level with a stern drive ??
Don't get all tied up with water level with outboard or outdrive - it is irrelevant really as unless you intend to fit a Scania truck engine into it your diesel won't be pushing it down that far.
You haven't stated why you are so worried about "water levels" but in any event you will need to hack out the motor well and build-up the stern if you fit an inboard.
Ref going to sea or any tidal water - you need about 40 - 50hp as main engine and at least 10hp minimum as a back-up engine. You cannot pull over the the side and fix it if the engine stops. I've done the Thames right down, and the Medway, and the Blackwater and it can be "dirty", a pair of nice large engines on a 30ft wide beam boat are desirable. You cannpt safely take a Norman out without a lot of power, the hull shape can be driven with power, indeed Norman used to advertise the boat's planing capabilities at sea and the hull will plane nicely - with about 60hp upwards!! But it cannot handle rough water and you'll be a statistic if you tried the Thames estuary round even to Burnbham, let alone to Bradwell. And as for running up to Yarmouth - omg!
The North sea can be a ploughed field around the estuaries so you might want to consider the Chelmer down to say Bradwell, and run for cover into the sheltered waters around Tollesebury or Mersea. Even that will prove dangerous for amall under-powered boat at times.
For the Broads - you'd have to pass Harwich and Felixstowe on your run up the coast and then there is really no safe haven until you get to Lowestoft although you might be able to hide at Southwold. Better if you want the Broads to stick it on a trailer! Dave (DF) chugs around up there - listen to him!
Petrol on canals? If you have sat-nav that will show nearby petrol stations, take spare tanks and allow to travel village to village, that way you won't have so far to walk with the full tanks. Some boatyards sell petrol - or deisel - but not many I think and you will pay a hefty premium for the priviledge.
To sum up what everyone is telling you - stick with outboard for canals - a 4-stroke not cheap but more relieble that a 2-stroke and with outboard you don't have to mess about with the transom (unless a previous owner has already hacked it about). For tidal - inboard with a stern-drive, the £nfield 130 can often be found attached to an old boat for sale on E-bay - but keep a safe haven within range at all times. And go learn boat-handling for sea if that is what you choose to do. Good luck!
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df
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Aug 2016 : 10:28:20
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For the Broads - you'd have to pass Harwich and Felixstowe on your run up the coast and then there is really no safe haven until you get to Lowestoft although you might be able to hide at Southwold. Better if you want the Broads to stick it on a trailer! Dave (DF) chugs around up there - listen to him!
Just last month we had to turn and head back to yarmouth( was heading for southwold) as the wind had built a bit higher than predicted, it was F4 gusting to F5 but was nearer F5 gusting to F6 but wae SE'ly and against the tide, I recon peak to trough on the waves was about 2.5 metres and water was coming over the roof onto the rear deck as we cut through the tops of the waves, this was with 2 150hp turbo diesels on shafts shoving me along at 12-14 knots, Ali had to sit on the floor and hold the dog down as he kept headbutting the doors.
That was with a deep V hull at the front end cutting through and 11 feet of beam, I wouldn't have wanted to do the turn with only 6 foot 10 inches of beam and a lack of power.
I wouldn't have considered the run it that weather on my old RLM 31 and that had twin diesels on enfields and 9' 6" beam.
It's a bit of sea that commands a lot of respect with few real bolt holes, none are good in strong SE'ly winds.
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Canveysteve
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Aug 2016 : 14:27:43
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Thatdont. Sound like fun !
Wetook our hire boat out on bendon waters was choppy but no to bad insaying that that was a wide beam and heavy |
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df
United Kingdom
5994 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2016 : 17:24:25
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Breydon water is never that bad, some have a strange fear of it and the broads authority decided to buy a boat mca rated to 65 miles offshore to patrol it (W-anchors) but no-one realy knows why (except that the yard that sold it had a vested interest), some hireboats with open front wells can get into trouble but that is realy bad conditions and they usually close it to hire boats then.
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Canveysteve
United Kingdom
41 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2016 : 18:44:10
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| Yep we had a f,b wilds open front was amazing boat |
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Norman 23 mk2
