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Binker
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 16 Sep 2015 : 15:19:24
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Just contemplating some heating on my 23. Safety first so no naked flames CO (and water) producers. Ayone using Webasto or similar? Gas or diesel?
What do you guys use?
John
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df
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Sep 2015 : 16:55:50
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Webasto/eberspacher are hard to beat, never seen a mikuni in action, if on outboard you can always run a diesel heater from a portable outboard tank.
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Binker
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Sep 2015 : 18:03:39
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I'm on an old 4stroke petrol Honda so I'm guessing I'd need a separate fuel tank. I'm absolutely clueless though on where to place them, running exhaust so it's absolutely safe, drain on battery etc… I'm assuming they're placed outside the cabin as with camper vans.
They're not cheap so I'd want to get it right  I've seen on line that lancs marine fit them?
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Deano
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Sep 2015 : 18:31:57
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Don't overlook the Propex heaters. They are slightly less refined as the diesel ones, but are much cheaper. They run on gas so no need for extra tanks and fuel.
They can be expensive to run for long periods, so no good for liveaboards, but ideal for leisure use.
Ebersacher publish a boat installation manual.... a quick google should find it... the US site has more downlaodable documents than the UK one.
Generally, they can be sited anywhere as the combustion gasses are totally enclosed, but most are in the bilge or a cockpit locker just to make installation simpler.
Dean - Boating on the Great Ouse.
Freeman 32 "Liberty"
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Binker
United Kingdom
39 Posts |
Posted - 16 Sep 2015 : 19:08:26
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I was just looking at propex 
No safety cert issues? Gas is attractive rather than putting yet another fuel on board. I guess there's less drain on the batteries with gas? No glow worm.
Binker
Edit to thanks for your help with this, I'm probably being a windy about it but it is my first time round on everything boaty. |
Edited by - Binker on 16 Sep 2015 19:10:30 |
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Knighty
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Sep 2015 : 17:16:59
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I was quoted on my Norman 20 when I had it £1450 for a Webasto with 2 outlets.
You can buy a marine Propex kit with 2 outlets for around £500 or so.
Make sure you get the boat kit as the vent and pipes are a bit different to a van/truck kit.
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philihun
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Sep 2015 : 18:19:00
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Get a propex, a good bit of gear. Did 9 nights in april and used 5 kg of propane, I also cook and heat my water off the same bottle. Kept my 27 nice and cozy and quite easy to install. Just leak test the joints with fluid and use a sensor if you have one. I used compression fittings 10 mm + an isolating valve £ 4.50 from screw fix.
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Deano
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Sep 2015 : 19:58:58
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Only real BSS issues are if you have an inboard engine...... not ideal to install near fuel lines or tanks!!!
Dean - Boating on the Great Ouse.
Freeman 32 "Liberty"
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Binker
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Sep 2015 : 20:23:17
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I'd spotted that there was a specific marine designed Propex but it's good to have it confirmed
Philihun I think that comment has sold me on the Propex - I think we'd use less gas as it's a smaller space - did you place the unit in a cockpit locker as suggested previously in the thread. I think that would be my preferred option. You used a fixed fitting? I was hoping rubber hose and cir clip would do the job but will take advice and research.
Deano, worth knowing for when I get a bigger boat - don't tell on me!
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Deano
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Knighty
United Kingdom
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Binker
United Kingdom
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philihun
United Kingdom
283 Posts |
Posted - 18 Sep 2015 : 20:00:07
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Hi mate, firstly you can fit he heater pretty well anywhere you want(common sense prevailing)ie not alongside the petrol etc. Reason being it receives air and discharges fumes outside the boat through a marine skin fitting which is part of the marine kit. The gas bottle must be in a vented metal lined locker to pass the bss. The connection via the regulator can be hose but the connection to any appliance should be copper tube 8 or 10mm. Don't buy a roll of tube if you only need a metre or so. Go to your local car spares and buy copper brake pipe in your required length, its the same thing. Compression fittings don't need solder just two spanners. Pipe + fittings ptfe and isolator valve also adaptor from hose to copper less than £20 band q or screwfix.
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Binker
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Sep 2015 : 20:53:36
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Originally posted by philihun
Hi mate, firstly you can fit he heater pretty well anywhere you want(common sense prevailing)ie not alongside the petrol etc. Reason being it receives air and discharges fumes outside the boat through a marine skin fitting which is part of the marine kit. The gas bottle must be in a vented metal lined locker to pass the bss. The connection via the regulator can be hose but the connection to any appliance should be copper tube 8 or 10mm. Don't buy a roll of tube if you only need a metre or so. Go to your local car spares and buy copper brake pipe in your required length, its the same thing. Compression fittings don't need solder just two spanners. Pipe + fittings ptfe and isolator valve also adaptor from hose to copper less than £20 band q or screwfix.
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Cheers for that. I that makes it a lot clearer. What length do you reckon for the copper tail from the appliance?
OOH and did you put the exhaust out the side or the transom?
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Knighty
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Sep 2015 : 16:21:28
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The copper will have to go from where you site the heater to where you want to tee into your existing copper gas supply . Only rubber tube you can use is the bit connecting the regulator to the supply, max 1 mtr.
The instructions for connecting the gas might seem sketchy but anyone who works with gas it is straight forward. If you are unsure and it seems you are I would recommend getting that part done by a Gas safe engineer as you would really need to do a tightness test afterwards which tests the whole system. |
Edited by - Knighty on 19 Sep 2015 16:57:27 |
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Binker
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Sep 2015 : 18:58:36
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Good call Knighty. I know someone who works with gas so a bottle of something should get it done. Gas has always put the wind up me but I'm quite happy working with sparks or plumbing etc…
Thanks again guys. It'd still be good to have a look at one installed on a Norman. When I get one installed Ill post up on here if all goes well.
Binker
Did I really say, "gas has always put the wind up me"? Obviously not to be trusted in an enclosed space. Ahem. |
Edited by - Binker on 20 Sep 2015 00:17:32 |
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