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Dl
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 07 Feb 2015 : 10:59:34
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Just read the piece on My Norman,and was interested in a camping gas fire,being used.
experiences,recommendations,and where to site it ,appreciated
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Lester Mayo
United Kingdom
289 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2015 : 21:33:40
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| Not recommended on boats especially petrol engine ones. It wont pass a Boat Safety if the examiner sees it. |
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Deano
United Kingdom
1843 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2015 : 21:49:29
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Anything that burns using an open flame will create huge amounts of condensation.
There is also the fire and CO risk. You have got a CO alarm???
Dean - Boating on the Great Ouse.
Freeman 32 "Liberty"
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Knighty
United Kingdom
654 Posts |
Posted - 08 Feb 2015 : 07:56:52
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| Gas in a baked bean can is what my last BSS examiner called the canisters and he has seen them numerous times corroding away on a boat !! The cabin of a boat especially the small confines of 20 is no place for a flueless heater. You can get flued warm air blower heaters starting around £450 plus fitting. |
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Steveanddeb
United Kingdom
17 Posts |
Posted - 08 Feb 2015 : 12:34:15
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On the bank as far away from the boat as possible is the only safe way to use one of the canister heaters ;-)
In other words, save your money
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Steveanddeb
United Kingdom
17 Posts |
Posted - 08 Feb 2015 : 12:39:24
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In all honesty I've seen 2 of these explode over the years, both times in fishing bivvy's. Luckily the guys were not in the bivvy's at the time but everything went. Up in flames.
As has been stated already, it's cheaper to buy a unit that is deigned to heat boats than it would be to buy another boat :-). Don't cut corners on this one, your life is worth more than the couple of hundred pounds it would cost to do the job correctly.
Cheers
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trevork
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Posted - 08 Feb 2015 : 14:51:04
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I do think there is a degree of exaggeration regarding the use of these heaters. When I had my 23 I used one regularly in both winter and chilly summer months. Sensible ventilation and placement to reduce risk of being knocked over is key.I also had CO2 alarms. There was a degree of condensation, but, with the thin skins of our Normans, this was hardly unexpected. If you were to look through past threads on here and many owners submissions on the main site you will find examples of safe usage. Not a single report of any problem with them. There is also a "Buddy" version of these which was deemed safe to use. Add to this the many boaters who used and still use the single ring stoves using exactly the same cartridges without problem.
Yes, it is very much the economy end and should not be seen as a permanent solution but, with common sense and care, can be safe.
I actually confronted the staff at a large Yorkshire camping and caravan centre selling these questioning the "for outdoor use only" label. What is the point in trying to heat a field????
Simply a catch all ducking out of uses.
Lets be frank! Most of us at this end of the boating ladder can afford little else when starting out! |
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df
United Kingdom
5994 Posts |
Posted - 08 Feb 2015 : 17:58:26
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The single ring stoves are fine if used properly, use an oversize frying pan and they turn into an episode of 'cooking with al-quaeda' as the canister overheats and explodes with horrific results, I would guess the heaters should be ok as long as they are sited carefully and canisters are stored where they don't corrode.
That said I wouldn't want one in my boat, and that comes from the bloke who moved the can of petrol from on top of the batteries below the cockpit floor on saturday just before the bss man arrived, and yes it's back there now.....
NBAS--The communal colostomy bag of the boating community.
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Lester Mayo
United Kingdom
289 Posts |
Posted - 08 Feb 2015 : 18:58:18
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| Would your insurance company cover you? should you survive. I wouldn't risk it. |
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mike
United Kingdom
80 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2015 : 14:45:38
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I few years ago I bought one, but when i saw how the canister fits into the fire, basically its held in by a spring clip. I put it on the shelf in the workshop and its stayed there since.
In order of increasing problems
Condensation, gas leaking into the bilges, fire, CARBON MONOXIDE
A better worst option may be a radiant heater that screws into a gas cylinder, still have condensation and CARBON MONOXIDE but less chance of gas leak's and fire.
If you go down either route get 2 or 3 CARBON MONOXIDE detectors.
40 people a year die and 200 end up in hospital each year from CARBON MONOXIDE poisoning
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Deano
United Kingdom
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mike
United Kingdom
80 Posts |
Posted - 10 Feb 2015 : 09:20:27
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Sadly I rest my case.
It also shows why the BSS says compression joints must be used on gas pipes so the joint cannot leak if heat is applied.
Anyway it seems to me that the general consensus is don't use open flue gas fires on boats.
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philihun
United Kingdom
283 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2015 : 19:22:15
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Good debate on the gas fires folks and rightly so. But in keeping with the traditions of this forum could I add a humble non nautical novice view. The tragic deaths were a, at the end of a social evening, b Co 2 poisoning, c lack of any detection (ie co2 or smoke alarms). A properly sited small 8 oz heater within a ventilated area near to suitable alarms is probably a 2 on the risk assessment scale for the time the cartridge lasts. However having a dogs bollox programmed blower involving gas and electric waiting for you when you return to the boat after a gallon of old peculiar or whatever is probably a 6 on the scale. Just a thought to add to the debate. ps id prefer the gallon and the warm boat.
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df
United Kingdom
5994 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2015 : 19:28:44
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However having a dogs bollox programmed blower
How barbaric! I phone mine from the pub when it's nearly chucking out time and it goes off after an hour (so I phone again if still getting served). 
I love my eberspacher!
NBAS--The communal colostomy bag of the boating community.
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Deano
United Kingdom
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IanM
United Kingdom
2238 Posts |
Posted - 13 Feb 2015 : 06:39:41
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I think he had to sell Ali to afford the Eberspacher.
It made the boat roomier too. |
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