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James Sweete
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 11 Apr 2012 : 13:40:06
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Hi there ive just bought a Norman 23 boat however its in bad condition and has been stripped to start again from scratch.
Im fitting a floor but im intrigued, im using wood but what would be recommended as of course there will be wooden struts going into the bilge so obviously this needs to be water tight. Is wood the right material? and if so what should i be using to seal it off so that 2 years down the line the floor doesnt just rot and crumble into a horrible mess.
Any tips pointers and advice is greatly appreciated.
heres some pictures of where were at at the moment
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Lester Mayo
United Kingdom
289 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2012 : 15:26:18
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first solve any leaks windows, cleats, canopy etc. For the floor use exterior grade plywood 18mm should give a solid floor it sits on hardwood packing blocks onto the ribs as in your picture bridging the joint.Flat walkway in the middle with angled floor upto units.
You make all your furniture first cupboards /bunks and the floor is fitted last
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df
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Apr 2012 : 18:32:58
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Welcome to the madhouse.
As Lester says fix the leaks first, don't just accept water in the bilge as normal with an outboard engined boat, it's only rainwater that gets in, the hardest job is finding the leaks first though, chalk dust is very helpful for giving them away.
Looking at your piccies I would expect the roof vents and windows to leak and also suspect the light fitting too.
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Edited by - df on 11 Apr 2012 18:34:32 |
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James Sweete
United Kingdom
12 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2012 : 22:11:49
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Thanks for the replies everyone, been down today, started getting a frame in for everything so i can start fitting bits. Luckily it was raining and so ive spotted where the leaks are, are there any tips or pointers for fixing the leaks in the sliding windows? as both sides are leaking quite bad, the other place is the front of the hull at the top it looks like a light or something has just been pulled off so just a case of redoing the fibre glass on that so that shouldnt be a problem.
Ive been given a blige pump and ive got a nice auto switch and control panel so im going to get that fitted, and i started fitting the plumming in the side. I was told that water from the sink just runs out the back of the boat into the river / canal??? Is this correct as that seems abit medi-evil to me??
Thanks
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James Sweete
United Kingdom
12 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2012 : 22:15:52
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P.s where is the HID or how can i find out what age my boat is too, as i need that for insurance, but i have no idea, i just got a recipt for the boat and recipts for things boat recently but other than that i have no idea. I know its a norman 23 MK1 by looking on here and comparing the windows etc, any other ideas how i can find this out as i really need to get it insured just so i dont loose the money i paid for the boat.
Thanks Again
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Lester Mayo
United Kingdom
289 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2012 : 23:03:10
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waste water from sink just goes through a skin fitting into the cut/river. You can use an eco washing up liquid if that is a concern to you.
You may be able to find a series of numbers in the bow section if your lucky, it does look like you have insulation in the bow so you would have to remove that.
The canopy looks very new which is a major expence if it had to be changed. It looks like you could make a decent boat from what original fittings you have.
The windows have drains in the bottom make sure these are clear I use a stanley blade as they get moss in them. Seals Direct do all the window seals
http://www.normanboats.co.uk/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3095
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carpetbloke
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Apr 2012 : 06:50:39
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Your first concern about the water under the floor will be addressed when you solve the leaks.
Normally any water will collect to the rear of the boat under the cockpit.
Channels are there for excess water to go under the cabin floor.
Keep these free, but the water shouldn`t really get that bad especially if the bilge pump is fitted and working as it will flow to the rear.
There are always unexpected events on a boat. Last year I had water showing like yours under the cabin floor after years of bone dry bilges.
It turned out to be the water tank which is under the bow so as this water went directly into the cabin area that`s where it remained.
Probably a good thing the Ashby is shallow. |
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cliveshep
Thailand
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Posted - 13 Apr 2012 : 18:36:05
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My guess is middle 60's for age of boat, the give-away is the moulded GRP windscreen frame. by the beginning of the 70's that became an anodised ali frame.
23 ft - surely 22ft??
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adi-n-chez
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 Apr 2012 : 21:51:34
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Originally posted by cliveshep
23 ft - surely 22ft??
Would say its a 23 Clive , not seen a 22 that hasnt had the wrapround Perspex screen.
Would hazard a guess at 1970 - Norman 23 Mk1
James - Dont get too het up over the age , Mine was listed as 1978 when I bought her (Its 1968 actually) By changing the 'real' age I made it harder to insure !!!
On the plus side , she looks like she has a new canopy ! The other jobs will work out cheaper!
Adi
Sewer Tubes ? I'd rather have a D**ncr*ft (Only Kidding) |
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trevork
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Posted - 13 Apr 2012 : 23:28:19
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Nay, that's a Norman 22 Mk lll. With regard to the year, have a look right up inside the bows under all the coverings on the bare GRP. See if there are any hand written figures which will tell you the age, model and mould number.
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adi-n-chez
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 Apr 2012 : 23:39:48
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quote:
Originally posted by trevork
Nay, that's a Norman 22 Mk lll. With regard to the year, have a look right up inside the bows under all the coverings on the bare GRP. See if there are any hand written figures which will tell you the age, model and mould number.
I'll Bow to the Webmaster.......
I thought the stern/ Windows looked like a 22 but never seen one with the GRP screen setup !
Adi
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mike
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Apr 2012 : 08:29:12
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Morning
If you have a trawl through the info on this site, Norman Range, Norman History etc its definatly a 22.
Norman Range says 22 Mk1V, Norman History says 22 Mk2
Year of manufacture about 1967 to 1969
But don't worry its not a 23 there is only a few inches different between the 22 and the 23.
There is a wealth of experiance and knowledge on this site, take full advantage of it, never be afraid to ask any questions no matter have daft you may feel they are because we have all been there.
Top Tip. Always treat the boat as a work in progress, ie. don't wait to get the boat perfect before you use it, clear the cabin, get the engine, steering and electrics sorted and then you can use it for day trips (pub) whilst working on the rest of it SUMMER APROACHES.
Welcome and enjoy your boat
Mike
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cliveshep
Thailand
1324 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2012 : 09:01:43
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One further observation - even a new hood will let in copious amounts of water if the wind is in the wrong direction and drives the rain in.
One good reason to over-sheet with a tarp if you leave the thing alone all winter. A couple of ropes to keep in on, and weight it down with plastic 6 litre milk bottles of water around the edges, allowing air to flow under but stopping rain driving in. I mention this because it looks like the Middle Levels in your pic - with flat land all round that allows the wind to drive rain unhindered.
As said - you really shouldn't have bilge water in an outboard boat with no hull penetrations but somehow you still get some eventually, grab rails, windows, hood, screen are all potential rainwater ingress points, and far more likely culprits than the hull unless rubbing strakes are below water-line aft and are letting by the fixings.
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James Sweete
United Kingdom
12 Posts |
Posted - 15 Apr 2012 : 00:49:09
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Wow thanks for all the responses, least i know exactly what it is, ive looked around the GRP inside and i cant see anything at all, ive even looked around the outside too to no avail.
Ive found alot of leaks in the GRP on the corners so i have siliconed and re-fibre glassed the holes to try stop the water. My only problems now appear to be around the windows. Is this just a case of removing the windows and re-sealing them up? or am i missing a simple obvious trick?
Sorry if im asking dumb questions but im completely new to boating, ive restored a few cars before so im hoping the experience from that can be passed onto this.
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James Sweete
United Kingdom
12 Posts |
Posted - 15 Apr 2012 : 00:54:27
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P.s looking at the norman history, the pic that looks like this boat is the norman 23 Mk1 with the grp screen however if i look at the windows etc then is the norman 22? can anyone confirm this?
This is the MK 1 Norman 23 from the the norman range page on this website
This is the MK iV Norman 22
This is my boat...
I know the front windows are different but these were recently replaced so im guessing the trim has been changed??? |
Edited by - James Sweete on 15 Apr 2012 00:57:14 |
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Deano
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Apr 2012 : 07:59:13
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The mouldings in the hull top are MkIV, the windows are MkIV, the handrail bases are MkIV.... but the windscreen is earlier. Perhaps someone fitted that later..???? As a replacement.. maybe the original perspex screen got damaged??
Dean - Boating on the Great Ouse.
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