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Ricky
100 Posts |
 Posted - 08 May 2011 : 20:16:13
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Hi
Since painting my deck I keep thinking how good the whole boat would be freshened up with a good paint job, but this theory about others not wanting to buy a painted boat, how valid is it? Sure its nice to see original gelcoat... but does it really devalue the boat at all?
Cheers Rick |
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cliveshep
Thailand
1324 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2011 : 20:42:08
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I guess it's a balance thing value-wise. if the hull is so knocked about it looks awful you've probably got to the painting stage.
Many South Coast boats are painted and I don't mean old Normans or Dawncrafts either. Marinas are full of boats where sea and harbours have taken their toll and they've actually paid big money to have them resprayed in two-pack to enhance the looks and value. I'm talking 5 figure boats here. You have to decide whether to go down the professional spraying route or go for a more canal boat type job in brush or roller and perhaps domestic paints.
2-pack acrylic, which is what the yards use, gives a car-body finish that is hard and durable, naturally it can be an expensive process. I did my Norman 18.5 inside and out in 2-pack acrylic (I stripped the boat to a shell first) but the fumes were something wicked and it cost £100 plus for paint and thinner alone. I do have my own compressor though so I didn't have that expense.
The cost of boating is insignificant compared to costs of a young wife and two teenage kids! |
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Ricky
100 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2011 : 23:23:53
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Cheers Clive, Im fortunate I can get my hands on a compressor, maybe the guns too, tho have never sprayed anything other than ready-tinned sprays on car touch ups etc... I guess it could take a bit o practice to get it right eh?
Theres one or two hand painted boats in my marina, one looks great, other looks...badly hand painted..
Mind you Im not thinking of selling it at all...just having her look fresh and uniform again. New white deck paint makes the grp look yellow a bit, even after oxalic acid!!
Cheers Rick |
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Deano
United Kingdom
1843 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2011 : 17:05:46
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I hand painted my 22 footer about 5 years ago and the topsides that I did in 2 pack still get comments on how good the finish is and people ask who sprayed it!!
It is all in the preparation. I'll bet the one in your marina that looks bad was prepped, and painted in a day?? It took me about 6 weekends of filling, sanding, filling, sanding and priming to get a smooth surface to paint. I then used a very short nap roller to put the paint on.
Don't spray 2-pack unless you know the consequences, then you will know how to avoid it.
I would advise doing it ashore and under cover. To make a good job of it you will need to remove all the deck fittings and the windows.
Dean - Boating on the Great Ouse.
Freeman 30 "Silver Gem"
See the photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/54758027@N00/ |
Edited by - Deano on 09 May 2011 17:24:12 |
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dnme
Ireland
110 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2011 : 18:21:03
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tigtog
United Kingdom
421 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2011 : 18:38:03
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| ive used internatiuonal paint (toplac) got a fairly good result with it although its not 2 pack |
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Ricky
100 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2011 : 20:19:46
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Hi TigTog, the words 'fairly good' are what worries me, unless youre being modest!! Id want to get it perfect (as poss), tho that depends on a lot of factors I imagine!!
Did you brush or roll it on mostly?
Cheers Rick |
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tigtog
United Kingdom
421 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2011 : 21:15:44
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to be honest Ricky i did not spend a huge amount of time on the prep work, could have spent much more time flatting the primer down, i used a small gloss roller and brush, was also a bit to hot when i applied the toplac. You can get great results with the international paint if you take your time. They have there own website with a host of information on, theres also a few good videos on you tube of the paint being put on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3UCEbGZmz0
http://www.yachtpaint.com/gbr/diy/media-centre/boat-painting-guide.aspx
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cliveshep
Thailand
1324 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2011 : 21:24:16
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Originally posted by dnme
When you folks talk about 2 pack, what brand / make etc do you mean?
There is 2-pack polyurethane of which the cheapest is Bradite (available from Brewers if you have one of those) which being 80% solids needs a huge amount of thinners if sprayed but is hard and durable. It can be brushed or rollered as well but the fumes are toxic so outside in well ventilated area.
The other 2-pack I use is acrylic, you need a 2K primer and the thinner for that, and the 2-part paint and the thinner for that. For your size boat if that is the route you intend to go down E-bay have loads of offers of paint plus hardener plus thinner for a complete car respray which ought to offer just about enough paint for a 17 footer.
The cost of boating is insignificant compared to costs of a young wife and two teenage kids! |
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Deano
United Kingdom
1843 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2011 : 23:20:44
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I did mine with International 2-pack and the matching undercoat.
Applying 2-pack is not as easy as normal paint, the temp is quite important, but you can recover imperfections by flatting down with fine wet and dry and then polishing back to a shine with cutting compound. The finish is fantastic and very hard wearing. Roller it on and if necessary, 'tip' it off with a quality natural bristle brush.
International do a painting guide, available from their web site or paint stockists, Even if you don't go down that rout, it is worth getting hold of as it contains loads of useful information.
Dean - Boating on the Great Ouse.
Freeman 30 "Silver Gem"
See the photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/54758027@N00/ |
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trevork
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Posted - 10 May 2011 : 09:26:23
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| And of course you will find a link on the main site! |
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davem
United Kingdom
9 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2012 : 16:27:28
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Originally posted by Deano
I did mine with International 2-pack and the matching undercoat.
Applying 2-pack is not as easy as normal paint, the temp is quite important, but you can recover imperfections by flatting down with fine wet and dry and then polishing back to a shine with cutting compound. The finish is fantastic and very hard wearing. Roller it on and if necessary, 'tip' it off with a quality natural bristle brush.
International do a painting guide, available from their web site or paint stockists, Even if you don't go down that rout, it is worth getting hold of as it contains loads of useful information.
Dean - Boating on the Great Ouse.
Freeman 30 "Silver Gem"
See the photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/54758027@N00/
Hi Deano, How many years would you expect your paint job to last? I assume you could freshen it up by cutting back and repolishing - but at some point you will presumably run out of paint thickness to work on.
Thanks
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Deano
United Kingdom
1843 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2012 : 17:44:40
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The 2-pack has been washed and waxed over the last 6 years or so, but not had to cut it back with anything more than Autoglym red polish.
It still looks absolutely fine.
The hull was painted in International Toplac, or was it Brightside?? Can't remember. (one pack) bur it is looking shabby and if the rain stops we will repaint, but the only problem is knocks and scrapes. The undamaged areas are still fine.
Preparation is everything for a good finish!!!
Dean - Boating on the Great Ouse.
Freeman 30 "Silver Gem"
See the photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/54758027@N00/ |
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painting whole boat!
