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| georgeblackwood |
Posted - 09 Sep 2011 : 22:07:35
Hi everybody,
Has anybody painted their boat with ordinary household paints rather than the marine variety. I've stripped part of my boat back to the gelcoat because of flaking paint.
I'm thinking of using gloss paint Dulux satinwood (for interior wood and metal)that I have left over from painting the house. Does anybody have an opinion as to whether it is compatible with fibreglass?
I noticed that Neil boatformypotplants in a previous post said he used Dulux Trade Supergrip Primer, Dulux Trade Weathershield Undercoat, and Dulux Trade Weathershield Gloss on his boat.
Obviously the weathershield is designed for outdoor use whereas the stuff I have left over is for interior use. I'm only planning on painting the roof section/top section of the boat for now.
Anybody got any thoughts on the matter? I'd be interested to hear of anybodies previous experience of painting their boats, what paint you used?, how you applied it? (brush,roller,spray gun etc). Any other tips you may have.
All advice welcome
Thanks
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| grabman |
Posted - 25 Sep 2011 : 20:22:52
bit of a late reply but i work away,as for tmac,i,ve used it and always got good results,i live in hull where its made, most the boaters near me use it too.if your unsure about paint compatabillity, the old trick is to do a small patch and see if you get a bad reaction |
| Deano |
Posted - 15 Sep 2011 : 17:37:00
quote:
Originally posted by Knighty
Just a thought but how do you come of enviromentally putting bitumen products below the water surface?
Badly I would think. Narrowboats use 'Black' whatever that is. Traditionally a tar derived product, but I imagine it is now more eco friendly.
Black Tar Varnish?????
Dean - Boating on the Great Ouse.
Freeman 30 "Silver Gem"
See the photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/54758027@N00/ |
| Knighty |
Posted - 15 Sep 2011 : 13:23:05
Just a thought but how do you come of enviromentally putting bitumen products below the water surface? |
| georgeblackwood |
Posted - 15 Sep 2011 : 13:17:56
Thanks for the reply deano. I'm not actually planning any kind of antifoul on my boat at the minute, as it is going to be stored out of the water on the trailer in my garage. I see what you mean about the bitumen paint, it would be an absolute "Oh my word" to get it off,i'd say you'd nearly have to resort to soda blasting. I guess you never really know what is lurking beneath the bitumen paint; a potential new owner would perhaps think it was put on to cover up some hull damage etc.
Thanks for the advice |
| Deano |
Posted - 15 Sep 2011 : 09:35:53
I'm not convinced that a bitumin based product is realy a great way to go on a fiberglass boat. I just see a potential nightmare if/when you or the next owner decides to try to remove it.
I would suggest to you that it may seriously devalue your boat.
I certainally would not consider purchasing a fiberglass boat that had been painted with this kind of product.
If it was still 1850 then great, go ahead with the tar. It was the only technology available then, but times have changed, you can't even smoke in a cinema now!
Buy some cheap antifoul (Flag from Screwfix??) or from a boat jumble. It will work a million times better than bitumen and if you are on fresh water you may get 3-6 years use out of one application. The whole expensive routine of repainting with gallons of antifoul every spring is a coastal thing where fouling is serious and fast. All you will get on freshwater is some green slime and in bad areas some hair weed, but no antifoul on the plannet will prevent that. Thankfully it will jetwash off in minutes.
My old boat has not has a drop of antifoul in the last 5 years and only 2 jetwashes in that time. Although it's bottom does not look the best, there is no fouling other than the green slime on the water line. She is stored afloat.
Dean - Boating on the Great Ouse.
Freeman 30 "Silver Gem"
See the photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/54758027@N00/ |
| georgeblackwood |
Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 20:38:50
@ken cattell
Thanks for the information about the life span of the exterior gloss; that's good to know, so it looks like I should get three years out of this job if I do the prep work right. Also thanks for the clarification that it is bitumen paint that I require for the antifoul substitute.
Thankyou |
| ken cattell |
Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 13:41:48
Having seen earlier in the year the good results of Lordjohns efforts on Goldfish using Jonhsons Exterior gloss I went to the local Leyland paint centre (the major stockist open to trade and public alike) and talked over the idea with the manageress. I found out she has loads of boaters coming in for the paint with repeat bussiness every 3 years on average. The below waterline paint (antifoul substitute for freshwater craft) mentioned of in an ealier post was Bitumin paint not roof Bitumin. This again came as no surprise to the Leyland paint centre manager. And will be the route I will be going down for everything below the rubbing strake.
Ken |
| georgeblackwood |
Posted - 13 Sep 2011 : 23:42:31
@mumsie53 Thanks for the info on the pricing of the weathershield. There is a good chance that I might be able to get my hands on some free exterior paint from my dad/father in laws garage. I'll more than likely be sticking with white anyway, (Don't hold me to that though, I reserve the right to change my mind!)
@gowzel Unfortunately I'm not blessed with your patience, well done on stripping back the nine layers of paint on your boat. I don't know what techniques you were using for sanding back your hull but I ran out of patience with the belt sander and ended up resorting to the angle grinder with the flap disk, which wrecked the gel coat on the gunwale section.
A lot of the paint on the gunwale section was very well stuck down and not flaking at all,it was mainly where the levels changed at the bow section that the flaking was particularly bad.
After the mess that I've made of the gunwale section I've decided that I'm going to be a lot more cautious with the sander. What your doing is definitely the right way to go for the long term job. Unfortunately one of the previous owners cut out the roof hatch on my boat and I've had to close in the roof with a fibreglass patch topped with a layer of body filler to stiffen up the roof again so a lovely gel coat finish is simply not an option.
P.s. I'm hoping that I won't have to re-coat the paint every year, but I guess only time will tell. The boat is going to spend most of it's life under cover in the garage on the trailer so with a bit of luck I'll get away with the household exterior paint, but I guess only time will tell.
Thanks for the input |
| gowzel |
Posted - 13 Sep 2011 : 22:54:20
Quote "Has anybody painted their boat with ordinary household paints rather than the marine variety. I've stripped part of my boat back to the gelcoat because of flaking paint." /Quote
Before you paint it and consider a light sanding and new top coat every year ask yourself why you have sanded it down now, the flaking paint looks a mess. It will also look a mess next year and the year after will look even worse if you change the top coat colour.
Why not spend the time and money on stripping the rest of the paint, using gel coat filler to cover any bad marks and treat the hull to a thorough polish. Admittedly it is a lot harder work but will look better in the long run and will definately look better than chipped and flakey paint.
Just my opinion after spending two months removing 9 layers of paint from a 18.5 foot hull. |
| mumsie53 |
Posted - 13 Sep 2011 : 22:03:15
I quite fancy the weathershield idea, though if you were to use a colour other than white,black or green @£29 for 2.5ltr,it gets quite pricey at £16 for 750mls, nearly as much as International toplac.
Asking at our local B&Q though, the larger stores (Chester Sealand rd for example) do weathershield gloss in their paint mixing machine in 1,2.5 and 5 ltr cans...now that was very interesting I thought
Pam
"growing old is compulsory, growing up however, is purely optional" |
| georgeblackwood |
Posted - 13 Sep 2011 : 19:46:47
Thanks Revolver, We're really starting to build a case for using ordinary exterior house paint now. I'm not too sure that we'll convince everybody though. I guess the gunwale part of the boat is going to take the most wear. It originally had a non slip paint on it that I sanded off. I should probably try and replace the non slip. So has anybody got any experience of non slip paint? Any home made attempts(a bit of course sand sprinkled over the wet undercoat). Please tell me if I'm mad......
Even if I have to give the hull a light sanding back and another top coat every year, I wouldn't mind that , sure it will give me something to do over the winters. Perhaps I could change the boats colour annually!!! (hhmmm maybe I should get the first lot of paint on before I get too far ahead of myself)
Thanks again |
| Revolvor |
Posted - 13 Sep 2011 : 14:16:31
I was browsing the "Guest Register" and found this in the section devoted to "Ocean Adventurer"....( Second entry in the list)
........"She has just had a re-paint after 5 years, the hull was originally done with Dulux Weathershield, the topsides with much more expensive Bradite 2-pack epoxy polyurethane because of the wear factors. The Dulux has neither yellowed nor failed in the five years (so much for the pundits who turn their noses up at house paint on boat hulls), and has had just a wash and a refresher coat of Weathershield only although I have filled and sanded and touched up with undercoat first all the gouges from her previous life which I just painted over when we bought her. The hull now looks as good as new, well, almost!"
John
Roads? Where we're going we don't need roads! |
| georgeblackwood |
Posted - 12 Sep 2011 : 22:31:40
Thanks lord john for the tip on the roof bitumen, I'm going to be keeping my boat out of the water on the trailer in the garage so I'm not planning on applying any antifouling for now, but I'll bear that in mind if I decide to keep it on the water at any stage in the future.
Thanks |
| lord john |
Posted - 12 Sep 2011 : 12:35:01
goldfish looked a bit shabby when we got her so all I did was rub down the gel coat and roller on the paint,masking off where needed.I did use the proper antifoul paint for the bottom of the hull but have since been told that roof bitumen does the same job only cheaper!someone here will be able to advise on that Im sure.
if a hammer wont fix it,it must be electrical. |
| georgeblackwood |
Posted - 11 Sep 2011 : 18:29:21
Thanks Lord John. Yes it does help. The boat didn't cost that much to buy so it is difficult trying to justify spending big bucks on marine paint. It's good to hear I'm not alone attempting to use the ordinary exterior paint. I'm sure it will give me a more than satisfactory long lasting finish, after all I'm not after perfection. My main concern was would it stick to the fibreglass/ gelcoat.
I'm now wondering is it worth copying neil boatformypotplants and going for the Dulux trade super grip primer or if an ordinary primer will do the job. I'll have to investigate the cost difference involved.
Thanks |
