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| dnme |
Posted - 04 May 2011 : 20:26:09
Dear all,
My Norman 17 restoration continues. After making up very accurate drape forming moulds for making new front windows, my perspex forming attempts are producing very poor results.
So I am wondering, does anyone have a set of windows? or has anyone made up a set and can you tell me how you did it? Here's a picture of the front of the boat. You can see the window profiles.
Many thanks |
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| dnme |
Posted - 10 Jun 2011 : 23:45:48
quote:
Originally posted by Jayb
HI DNME and other Norman friends
Sorry i haven't been in Touch DNME.
I am in China and have been for a couple of weeks now, thank god i'm going home friday, it was 36 degrees to day and humidity is terrible.
I cut a product called Lexan glass to size, but couldn't get the glass in the beading and the beading to stay in the frame without it whipping back out.
I looked at a deeper beading on the net and no joy there either.
I have thouight off getting more Lexan and cutting it an inch larger than the window frame and gluing it to the inside of the boat and creating a cosmetic finish on the outside of the boat with the correct beading then sealing the finish? What do you think?
I will also get you the pics of the hatch over the next BH at the end of may.
Rgds
Jayb
JAYB
Jayb
reminder |
| stratford4528 |
Posted - 10 May 2011 : 19:37:10
All these ideas but in my book I would always try to keep it looking original..Because it will never look right if you don't. But I am lucky because I have taught my self how to do the impossible. |
| dnme |
Posted - 10 May 2011 : 18:17:43
Many thanks JayB, much appreciated.
quote:
Originally posted by Jayb
HI DNME and other Norman friends
Sorry i haven't been in Touch DNME.
I am in China and have been for a couple of weeks now, thank god i'm going home friday, it was 36 degrees to day and humidity is terrible.
I cut a product called Lexan glass to size, but couldn't get the glass in the beading and the beading to stay in the frame without it whipping back out.
I looked at a deeper beading on the net and no joy there either.
I have thouight off getting more Lexan and cutting it an inch larger than the window frame and gluing it to the inside of the boat and creating a cosmetic finish on the outside of the boat with the correct beading then sealing the finish? What do you think?
I will also get you the pics of the hatch over the next BH at the end of may.
Rgds
Jayb
JAYB
Jayb
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| Jayb |
Posted - 10 May 2011 : 13:44:32
HI DNME and other Norman friends
Sorry i haven't been in Touch DNME.
I am in China and have been for a couple of weeks now, thank god i'm going home friday, it was 36 degrees to day and humidity is terrible.
I cut a product called Lexan glass to size, but couldn't get the glass in the beading and the beading to stay in the frame without it whipping back out.
I looked at a deeper beading on the net and no joy there either.
I have thouight off getting more Lexan and cutting it an inch larger than the window frame and gluing it to the inside of the boat and creating a cosmetic finish on the outside of the boat with the correct beading then sealing the finish? What do you think?
I will also get you the pics of the hatch over the next BH at the end of may.
Rgds
Jayb
JAYB
Jayb |
| Ricky |
Posted - 07 May 2011 : 21:46:06
Can appreciate that dnme...did you see the link re boiling water to bend the perspex?
http://www.scale-models.co.uk/tutorials/432-shaping-bending-perspex-sheet.html
Kind of made sense to me!! But then Im not the one whose tried and knows better!!
But sincerely I hope to see the post when youve sorted it, I know you will! No such thing as failure...only feedback!!
best. Rick |
| dnme |
Posted - 07 May 2011 : 21:38:25
Thanks ricky, yes I've been all over the web. youtube, google. I think the only option left is to glass up the wraparounds leaving me with rectangular(ish) front windows. |
| Ricky |
Posted - 07 May 2011 : 21:03:11
Yeh could be an entirely different boat, a tiny bit similar p'raps. About the email, another poster here had same experience with emailing haulage firms...non-replies, tho a call got instant results. I get frustrated when emailing companies, but some of the small one man band types you have to give some slack. Could be he's an old chap and not even web savvy.. and his kids handle the emails...no way to know really is there?
I appreciate its frustrating though...but...looking at all your posts/work/pics...you've gone so far that things will soon fall into place, Im sure.
Tried you tube? Ive learned so much about my car with how to vids, heres one for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mzorYYPM4g
and other links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUTNcQlHiho&playnext=1&list=PLB5A16EC22A5353CD
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bend+perspex&aq=f
Perhaps change the search strings a bit?
Cheers Rick
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| cliveshep |
Posted - 07 May 2011 : 20:54:41
Call me an old fool (don't you dare sir!) but to me that looks more like, I don't know, perhaps a CB 18, from CB Boats at Tollesbury, Essex, vintage late 60's.
Certainly doesn't look like anything out of the Norman stable.
The cost of boating is insignificant compared to costs of a young wife and two teenage kids! |
| dnme |
Posted - 07 May 2011 : 20:53:59
quote:
Originally posted by Ricky
dnme, give that window fabricator a chance, or a call, its not all of us who are on the net all the time...however, quick google on your behalf sir and I see a norman 17 (?????) with FLAT windies!!
scroll page down as item ended!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RIVER-CRUISER-NORMAN-17-FOOT-NR-BATH-/170629622737
Not sure if its the same boat, but its Norman, and 17footer!! side windows look modded too, (if its the same boat at all)
Rick
Ricky many thanks for the reply.
1. That's not even close to a Norman 17
2. I think if you're in business, you should respond to sales enquiry emails within 24 hours at the very longest |
| Ricky |
Posted - 07 May 2011 : 20:46:40
dnme, give that window fabricator a chance, or a call, its not all of us who are on the net all the time...however, quick google on your behalf sir and I see a norman 17 (?????) with FLAT windies!!
scroll page down as item ended!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RIVER-CRUISER-NORMAN-17-FOOT-NR-BATH-/170629622737
Not sure if its the same boat, but its Norman, and 17footer!! side windows look modded too, (if its the same boat at all)
Rick |
| dnme |
Posted - 07 May 2011 : 18:23:13
well I'm strongly considering glassing in the sides (wraparounds). I'm an Epoxy man. I already have an Epoxy kit here and will stick to it. |
| cliveshep |
Posted - 07 May 2011 : 15:40:42
Ok, another idea and one well within your capabilities.
Not one you might approve of but it will give you an answer.
Why not abandon the front of your cabin and cut it away?
Fit a mould and laying-up in grp (polyester resin mate, not blasted epoxy!) to convert the front section to a sloping "V" and take out the wrap-around moulding section altogether to give flattish windows that you CAN cut and fit without any need for vacuum moulding. Vacuum moulding might well be original but you are wasting your time and money trying to re-create the ovens etc required to do it and for a one-off a company will charge you many times the value of your boat.
That way, and within a few easy days work, you'll be in a position to fit windows. I accept that if you are a purist it will no longer look like a Callumcraft or early Norman 17 but at least you can move on.
Alternatively, re-mould the front and try and lose the wrap-around although that will mean much smaller windows.
You'll drive yourself crazy if you carry on like this and at least your boat will progress. Why do you think builders and designers abandoned the wrap-around in the first place? You can still introduce curves if you want to maintain the character, but only between roof/front and sides/front.
Hell, I'm still learning, I've only been re-building boats for 40 years - give me time!
The cost of boating is insignificant compared to costs of a young wife and two teenage kids! |
| dnme |
Posted - 06 May 2011 : 23:49:12
I dont think so. they'd be fine for draping but not vacuum. |
| stratford4528 |
Posted - 06 May 2011 : 23:22:21
Could you make a fibreglass mould from them. The mould would have to be perfect because when vacume forming it would follow any blemishes. |
| dnme |
Posted - 06 May 2011 : 22:56:48
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Originally posted by stratford4528
I have had a word with my son in law who works in a factory making vacume forming machines. He asked what is the overhaul size of your window and could you make an accurate mould. he could then make them for you with a clear plastic.
Hi stratford
That is very kind of you. I have two moulds made but they are made from concrete and filler. They are very heave and whilst robust enough I dont think they would survive a journey from Ireland. Also they would be accurate enough for drape forming but I dont know about vacuum forming.
Sincere thanks |
